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A lot of instruments require old computers to work. What are the best computers given old OS requirements?
 
A lot of instruments require old computers to work. What are the best computers given old OS requirements?
  
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== Windows XP ==
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==Windows XP==
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TLDR: Optiplex 960
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TLDR:
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*Currently focused on Dell, but open to other options
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*Optiplex 790
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**Why: best / newest option if you only need 1x conventional PCI
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**Circa 2011
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**OS: XP, Vista, 7, 8
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**CPU: Intel ® 2nd Generation Core™ i7, i5, i3 Processors (LGA1155)
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**MT (full size) slots:
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***1x conventional PCI
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***2x pcie x16
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***1x pcie x4
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*Dell Precision T3400
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**Why: best option for 3x conventional PCI
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**OS: XP, Vista, 7
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**CPU: Intel<sup>®</sup>  Core<sup><small>TM</small></sup>  2 (LGA775)
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**Circa 2008
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**Slots
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***2 PCI-e x16 graphics slot
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***1 PCI-e x8 slot wired as x4
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***3 PCI 32bit/33MHz slot with support for 5v cards
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*Dell Optiplex 960
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**Why: another option if you need 2x conventional PCI
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**Circa 2008
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**OS: XP, Vista, 7
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**Slots
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***2x conventional PCI
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***1x pcie x16
  
  
 
"it is somewhat paradoxical, but the 790 is actually a newer computer than the 960. Wikipedia has a good overview <nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_OptiPlex#Series_4</nowiki> it is the second digit that designates the generation for that era, so the x90 sandy bridge and x010 ivy bridge are the most recent ones supported by XP"
 
"it is somewhat paradoxical, but the 790 is actually a newer computer than the 960. Wikipedia has a good overview <nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_OptiPlex#Series_4</nowiki> it is the second digit that designates the generation for that era, so the x90 sandy bridge and x010 ivy bridge are the most recent ones supported by XP"
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Optiplex 790
 
Optiplex 790
  
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* Used by Peter
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*[https://i.dell.com/sites/csdocuments/Shared-Content_data-Sheets_Documents/en/us/optiplex-790-customer-brochure.pdf Brochure]
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*Used by Peter
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*CPU: Intel ® 2nd Generation Core™ i7, i5, i3 Processors (LGA1155)
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*Max RAM: 32 GB
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*OS: XP, Vista, 7, 8
  
  
 
Optiplex 960
 
Optiplex 960
  
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* Intel® Core™ 2 Quad
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*Intel® Core™ 2 Quad
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* Max RAM: 16 GB
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*Max RAM: 16 GB
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* OS: XP, Vista, 7
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*OS: XP, Vista, 7
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* [https://twitter.com/ringoware/status/1544722191144472577?t=F7mOgvBSPyG22TfXT2liQw&s=19 Ryan likes Optiplex 960]
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*[https://twitter.com/ringoware/status/1544722191144472577?t=F7mOgvBSPyG22TfXT2liQw&s=19 Used by Ryan]
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* [https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/optiplex-960/drivers Drivers]
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*[https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/optiplex-960/drivers Drivers]
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Max HDD size?
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*"While NTFS is limited to a volume size limit of 256 TB, windows XP 32-bit only supports HDD's up to 2TB in size. This is because XP only supports disks in MBR format, and the max MBR supports is 2TB"
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*[https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/xp-hard-drive-limit.1650233/ Link]
  
  
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Case study:  EDS on JSM6460LV SEM
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Case study:  JSM6460LV SEM
  
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* Can we upgrade to Windows 7 or later?
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*Main PC: Dell Precision 360
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* If we must use XP what is the best computer?
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**Model DHM
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* Special requirements
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**P4 CPU
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** Firewire card
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**No observed problems so far
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**Lots of special full height cards
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**Replace along with EDS if possible
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**Precision vs Optiplex?
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***"Usually the precision will have more robust processors and video...Usually we stick to opti for general users and precision for cad engineering users"
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**3x conventional PCI candidates
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***Dell Optiplex GX260 (2002)
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****4x conventional PCI
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****Before capacitor plague => might be ok?
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***Dell Precision 360 (2003)
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****Current
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****4x conventional PCI
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***Dell Optiplex GX270 (2003)
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****4x conventional PCI
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***Dell Opiplex 170L (2004)
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****3x conventional PCI
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***Dell Optiplex GX280 (2004)
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****3x conventional PCI
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***Dell Precision 380 (2005)
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****3x conventional PCI
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***Dell Precision 390 (2006)
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****3x conventional PCI
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***Dell Precision T3400 (2008)
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****3x conventional PCI
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*EDS PC: hp Compaq d530 CMT
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**P/N DQ321S#ABU
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**Unreliable / capacitors are leaking
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**Need to fix and/or replace
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**HP support page not great / they removed a lot of info
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**Socket 478 – Support Processor Type: Intel Pentium 4, Celeron
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**4 * 184-pin DDR DIMM slots Supports DDR 400/333 MHz non-ECC, un-buffered memory (Max 4GB)
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*Can we upgrade to Windows 7 or later?
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*If we must use XP what is the best computer?
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*Special requirements
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**Firewire card (full height)

Latest revision as of 21:15, 15 July 2022

A lot of instruments require old computers to work. What are the best computers given old OS requirements?

Windows XP

TLDR:

  • Currently focused on Dell, but open to other options
  • Optiplex 790
    • Why: best / newest option if you only need 1x conventional PCI
    • Circa 2011
    • OS: XP, Vista, 7, 8
    • CPU: Intel ® 2nd Generation Core™ i7, i5, i3 Processors (LGA1155)
    • MT (full size) slots:
      • 1x conventional PCI
      • 2x pcie x16
      • 1x pcie x4
  • Dell Precision T3400
    • Why: best option for 3x conventional PCI
    • OS: XP, Vista, 7
    • CPU: Intel®  CoreTM  2 (LGA775)
    • Circa 2008
    • Slots
      • 2 PCI-e x16 graphics slot
      • 1 PCI-e x8 slot wired as x4
      • 3 PCI 32bit/33MHz slot with support for 5v cards
  • Dell Optiplex 960
    • Why: another option if you need 2x conventional PCI
    • Circa 2008
    • OS: XP, Vista, 7
    • Slots
      • 2x conventional PCI
      • 1x pcie x16


"it is somewhat paradoxical, but the 790 is actually a newer computer than the 960. Wikipedia has a good overview https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_OptiPlex#Series_4 it is the second digit that designates the generation for that era, so the x90 sandy bridge and x010 ivy bridge are the most recent ones supported by XP"


Optiplex 790

  • Brochure
  • Used by Peter
  • CPU: Intel ® 2nd Generation Core™ i7, i5, i3 Processors (LGA1155)
  • Max RAM: 32 GB
  • OS: XP, Vista, 7, 8


Optiplex 960

Max HDD size?

  • "While NTFS is limited to a volume size limit of 256 TB, windows XP 32-bit only supports HDD's up to 2TB in size. This is because XP only supports disks in MBR format, and the max MBR supports is 2TB"
  • Link


Case study: JSM6460LV SEM

  • Main PC: Dell Precision 360
    • Model DHM
    • P4 CPU
    • No observed problems so far
    • Lots of special full height cards
    • Replace along with EDS if possible
    • Precision vs Optiplex?
      • "Usually the precision will have more robust processors and video...Usually we stick to opti for general users and precision for cad engineering users"
    • 3x conventional PCI candidates
      • Dell Optiplex GX260 (2002)
        • 4x conventional PCI
        • Before capacitor plague => might be ok?
      • Dell Precision 360 (2003)
        • Current
        • 4x conventional PCI
      • Dell Optiplex GX270 (2003)
        • 4x conventional PCI
      • Dell Opiplex 170L (2004)
        • 3x conventional PCI
      • Dell Optiplex GX280 (2004)
        • 3x conventional PCI
      • Dell Precision 380 (2005)
        • 3x conventional PCI
      • Dell Precision 390 (2006)
        • 3x conventional PCI
      • Dell Precision T3400 (2008)
        • 3x conventional PCI
  • EDS PC: hp Compaq d530 CMT
    • P/N DQ321S#ABU
    • Unreliable / capacitors are leaking
    • Need to fix and/or replace
    • HP support page not great / they removed a lot of info
    • Socket 478 – Support Processor Type: Intel Pentium 4, Celeron
    • 4 * 184-pin DDR DIMM slots Supports DDR 400/333 MHz non-ECC, un-buffered memory (Max 4GB)
  • Can we upgrade to Windows 7 or later?
  • If we must use XP what is the best computer?
  • Special requirements
    • Firewire card (full height)
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