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Key links
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*Calibration: <nowiki>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul2JN875x3U</nowiki>
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*Parallel lapping: http://jiam.utk.edu/PDF/Allied-Parallel-Lapping-Integrated-Circuits.pdf
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**225 RPM CCW
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**Rotation: full (speed 8)
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**Oscillation 3<br />
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==Motor==
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Both motors (drive, osc) are identical
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Healthy readings TLDR
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*6 ohm nominal
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**Higher indicates carbon dust, possibly much higher  (eddy currents I guess)
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*Vmax
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**Motor: 19.1 V
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**Osc: 7.6 V
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**Drive: 15.0 V
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*No load test
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**Healthy around
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***12.21 V @ 153 mA
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***12.21 V @ 180 mA
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**Old motors: 12.22V @ 1.25 A
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<br />
 
<br />
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==Motor==
 
−
asdfsdf
 
  
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PITTMAN
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GM8712-41
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19.1 VDC
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187:1 RATIO
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MFG 05-29-98 S
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33 and 17 ohm. Is one of these damaged? Why are their resistances so different?
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Tried testing under load
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*black goop
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**12.19 V @ 1.266 A (current limited)
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**8 ohm after
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*other
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**Initially drawing way less current than first
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***12.12 V @ 0.332 A (voltage limited)
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**then started smoking
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***11.68 V @ 1.248 A (current limited)
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**6 ohm after
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Aren't these rated 19.1 V? Am I misunderstanding?
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Try pinning out the spare bad head
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*1-5: 2.8 k
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*2-6: 147 R
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*weird...
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what does the secondary machine test? (believe good)
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*1-5: 9.0 R
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*2-6: 10.4 R
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What is max voltage allied puts out on motors?
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*4-8
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**7.6 (fixed)
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**osc
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*3-7
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**15.0 (max)
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**drive
  
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<br />
 
==Head connector==
 
==Head connector==
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Official cable uses 24 AWG (Carol C0603)
  
  
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*3 mm pitch
 
*3 mm pitch
 
*Head female, cable male
 
*Head female, cable male
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*Maybe Minitek Pwr™ 3.0 Series
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*Molex  Microfit 3
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**<nowiki>https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/amphenol-icc-fci/10132445-08LF/609-5283-ND/7590945</nowiki>
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**aka Amphenol Minitek Pwr™ 3.0 Series
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***<nowiki>https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/amphenol-icc-fci/10132445-08LF/609-5283-ND/7590945</nowiki>
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<br />
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[[File:Molex microfit3 4x2f.png|none|thumb|Molex 8-CKT female(PS-43045.pdf pg 10, 8.4 STANDARD POLARIZATION FOR RECEPTACLES)]]
  
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[[File:Mcmaster allied multiprep head 4x8 connector.jpg|none|thumb]]
 
  
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[[File:Mcmaster allied multiprep head cable standard.jpg|none|thumb]]
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{| class="wikitable"
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!Microfit 4x2
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!Signal
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!Breakout cable color
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!Notes
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|-
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|1
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|Hall
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|Black
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|
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|-
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|2
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|Hall w/ cap
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|Red
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|
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|-
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|3
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|Drive
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|Orange
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|
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|-
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|4
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|Osc
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|Yellow
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|
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|-
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|5
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|Chassis ground
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|Green
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|N/C on main cable
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|-
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|6
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|Hall w/ cap
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|Blue
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|
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|-
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|7
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|Drive
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|Violet
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|
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|-
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|8
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|Osc
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|White
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|
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|}<br />[[File:Mcmaster allied multiprep head cable standard.jpg|none|thumb]]
 
[[File:Mcmaster allied multiprep machine new connector label.jpg|none|thumb]]
 
[[File:Mcmaster allied multiprep machine new connector label.jpg|none|thumb]]
  
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pseudo_miniDIN-8b_Diagram.png
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pseudo_miniDIN-8b_Diagram.png
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!Mini-amphenol
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!Microfit old
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!Microfit
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correct
 
!mini-DIN
 
!mini-DIN
 
!Signal
 
!Signal
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|N/C
 
|N/C
 
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<nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-DIN_connector#/media/File:Close-up_of_S-video_female_connector.jpg</nowiki>
 
<nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-DIN_connector#/media/File:Close-up_of_S-video_female_connector.jpg</nowiki>
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!Mini-amphenol
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!Microfit
 
!mini-DIN
 
!mini-DIN
 
!Signal
 
!Signal
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Motor on mini-DIN
 
Motor on mini-DIN
  
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*1: Motor1 +
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*1: drive motor +
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*3: Motor1 -
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*3: drive motor -
 
*7 V<br />
 
*7 V<br />
  
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|+8 pin CPC to 8 pin mini-amphenol
 
|+8 pin CPC to 8 pin mini-amphenol
 
Guessing this was a custom cable
 
Guessing this was a custom cable
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!Mini-amphenol
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!Microfit old
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!Microfit
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correct
 
!cpc
 
!cpc
 
!Signal
 
!Signal
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|1
 
|1
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|4
 
|8
 
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|N/C
 
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Tach board
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*Adapts 8 pin to 4 pin
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*Includes cap + 4 pin SMD component (489, probably hall effect sensor)
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*Must interface to those two red things I was confused about...looks like they have magnets on the end
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*Minitek 4x2
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**4: 4x1.1
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**3: 4x1.3
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**2: hall, cap
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**1: hall
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**8: 4x1.2
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**7: 4x1.4
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**6: hall, cap
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**5: chassis ground
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*4x1
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**1: osc
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**2: osc
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**3: drive
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**4: drive<br />
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Test primary machine motor via 4x1
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*drive: 10.2 R
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*osc: 5.6 R
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**<nowiki>*** out of spec</nowiki>
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**consistent with a failed motor
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failed motors appear to be caused by carbon buildup from brushes. They will fail very quickly if you operate them even close to their rated voltage. I was able to disassemble and blow one out to fix it. Now it runs at about 12.22V @ 350 mA. Current went down over time, maybe was 500 mA initially
 +
 
 +
Lets try another... initially 12.22V @ 1.25 A. Visible smoke. Rotor very dirty...should have cleaned other rotor. After cleaning dropped to 12.22V @ 1.1A and then rose up. Hmmm. Clean between rotar contacts. Success! Now 12.21 V @ 153 mA! Significant improvement! 9.6 ohm now
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 +
Back to original motor. Cleaned, now drawing 12.21 V @ 0.180 mA. Seems pretty concrete: needs to be cleaned, especially between rotar contacts. Try 18.86 V @ 197 mA. 9.6 ohm
 +
 
 +
Try osc motor. Didn't try running initially for fear of damaging. After cleaning (worst of all motors so far) 12.19V @ 175 mA. Current seems to be going down as well. 12.19 V @ 200 mA installed. However system is still not turning it (ie its not applying voltage). Other motor is about the same (even though it wasn't cleaned).
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Osc 9V on 8 pin. Osc motor being driven at 1.3V. Maybe power supply is failing? Motor current via benchtop PS seems okay to me. Cross strapped channels and verified drive channel can drive either drive or osc, but osc cannot drive either channel. Probably need to open the unit up<br />
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==McMaster misc==
 +
 
 +
 
 +
2020-01-14
 +
 
 +
*Win cross sectioning kit
 +
 
 +
 
 +
2020-02-20
 +
 
 +
*Order sample holder
 +
*Order replacement tubing
 +
**Later found I had some spare, but meh can use for other projects
 +
 
 +
<br />2020-05-06
 +
 
 +
*Measure grommets
 +
**23 mm diameter
 +
**11.5 mm high (0.45")
 +
**6.5 mm center
 +
*Measure hole
 +
**25.3 mm diameter
 +
***Grommet must be less than this
 +
**~9.15 mm high (0.36")
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***Grommet must be higher than this
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*Bolts
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**1/4-28 IIRC
 +
**Around 6.25 mm OD
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*Options
 +
**<nowiki>https://www.mcmaster.com/90131a102</nowiki>
 +
***Abrasion-Resistant Cushioning Washer
 +
***for 1/4" Screw Size, 0.25" ID, 0.75" OD
 +
***0.110"-0.140" high
 +
***Need: 12
 +
**<nowiki>https://www.mcmaster.com/9540K914</nowiki>
 +
***Heavy Duty, SBR Rubber, 15/16" OD, 1/2" High
 +
***3/8" ID
 +
***Ned: 3
 +
 
 +
<br />
 +
 
 +
==McMaster newer==
 +
S/N 568
 +
 
 +
 
 +
Hermitage: Allvia Sunnyvale? Not sure if they are still in business
 +
 
 +
 
 +
2019-12-19
 +
 
 +
*Submitted offer. Negotiations failed
 +
 
 +
 
 +
2020-02-19
 +
 
 +
*Seller accepted offer (was firm at old offer). Local pick up
 +
 
 +
 
 +
2020-02-232
 +
 
 +
*Swap DRO from spare to primary machine
 +
*Replace rusted micrometer
 +
 
 +
 
 +
2020-02-23
 +
 
 +
*Observe osc motor is not moving
 +
*Observe osc doesn't have slit like spare to keep in place...how is it supposed to work?
 +
**Is this a DRM thing of sort where they didn't supply the right adapter if the user didn't purchase osc option?
 +
**ie the motor was intentionally disabled and also mechanically hindered<br />
 +
 
 +
==McMaster older==
 +
???
 +
 
 +
*Won a few lots of parts TechPrep heads
 +
*Goal: combine into one good head and mount on SBT machine
 +
 
 +
 
 +
2019-03-20
 +
 
 +
*Try to get old TechPrep base. Negotiations failed
 +
 
 +
 
 +
2019-12-20
 +
 
 +
*Won old TechPrep base machine. Change plan from retrofitting SBT machine to actually fitting on this machine
 +
*Without reference machine a little difficult to piece together
 +
*Machine filthy. Significant cleaning
 +
 
 +
 
 +
2020-02-23
 +
 
 +
*Used reference machine to greatly accelerate repairs
 +
*Made cable to hook up head
 +
*E1.43 (error code?) persists, but machine seems to work fine
 +
 
 +
==McMaster 2020-06-07==
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 +
===Test1: spare arm===
 +
Testing out arm on the table. I believe it was mounted on the newer machine
 +
 
 +
Goals:
 +
 
 +
*Understand osc motor
 +
*Check motor health
 +
*Clean arm. Some precision surfaces are dirty
 +
 
 +
 
 +
Motor current tests
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 +
*Osc
 +
**yellow +, white -
 +
**7.6 V @ 175 mA
 +
***went down to 160 mA after a bit
 +
**Motor not loaded (coupler removed from top)
 +
**Spinning CCW
 +
*Drive 15.0 V
 +
**orange+, violet -
 +
**Motor not loaded (removed rubber ring)
 +
**7.6V @ 150 mA
 +
 
 +
Conclusions:
 +
 
 +
*Pinout table is correct
 +
*Motors work and are in spec
 +
 
 +
===Test2: production arm===
 +
Osc
 +
 
 +
*7.6V 2 180 mA under load
 +
**Shows: motor is fine, I probably don't have the cable correct
 +
 
 +
Drive
 +
 
 +
*7.6V @ 160 mA no load
 +
**170 mA w/ rubber attached
 +
 
 +
 
 +
Conclusion: found loose wire.Take this as an opportunity to make a proper cable...either a new one or solder the existing one<br />

Latest revision as of 08:51, 8 June 2020

Key links

Motor

Both motors (drive, osc) are identical

Healthy readings TLDR

  • 6 ohm nominal
    • Higher indicates carbon dust, possibly much higher (eddy currents I guess)
  • Vmax
    • Motor: 19.1 V
    • Osc: 7.6 V
    • Drive: 15.0 V
  • No load test
    • Healthy around
      • 12.21 V @ 153 mA
      • 12.21 V @ 180 mA
    • Old motors: 12.22V @ 1.25 A


PITTMAN
GM8712-41
19.1 VDC
187:1 RATIO
MFG 05-29-98 S

33 and 17 ohm. Is one of these damaged? Why are their resistances so different?

Tried testing under load

  • black goop
    • 12.19 V @ 1.266 A (current limited)
    • 8 ohm after
  • other
    • Initially drawing way less current than first
      • 12.12 V @ 0.332 A (voltage limited)
    • then started smoking
      • 11.68 V @ 1.248 A (current limited)
    • 6 ohm after

Aren't these rated 19.1 V? Am I misunderstanding?


Try pinning out the spare bad head

  • 1-5: 2.8 k
  • 2-6: 147 R
  • weird...


what does the secondary machine test? (believe good)

  • 1-5: 9.0 R
  • 2-6: 10.4 R


What is max voltage allied puts out on motors?

  • 4-8
    • 7.6 (fixed)
    • osc
  • 3-7
    • 15.0 (max)
    • drive


Head connector

Official cable uses 24 AWG (Carol C0603)


Head plug

  • 4x2 (8 pins)
  • 3 mm pitch
  • Head female, cable male
  • Molex Microfit 3
    • aka Amphenol Minitek Pwr™ 3.0 Series
      • https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/amphenol-icc-fci/10132445-08LF/609-5283-ND/7590945


Molex 8-CKT female(PS-43045.pdf pg 10, 8.4 STANDARD POLARIZATION FOR RECEPTACLES)


Microfit 4x2 Signal Breakout cable color Notes
1 Hall Black
2 Hall w/ cap Red
3 Drive Orange
4 Osc Yellow
5 Chassis ground Green N/C on main cable
6 Hall w/ cap Blue
7 Drive Violet
8 Osc White


Mcmaster allied multiprep head cable standard.jpg
Mcmaster allied multiprep machine new connector label.jpg
8 pin mini-amphenol t o 8 pin mini-DIN "standard connector" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pseudo_miniDIN-8b_Diagram.png
Microfit old Microfit

correct

mini-DIN Signal Note
1 4 1
2 3 2
3 2 8
4 1 7
5 8 3
6 7 5
7 6 6
8 5 N/C
Mcmaster allied multiprep machine old connector label.jpg
5 pin mini-DIN to 8 pin mini-amphenol Same connector as S-video Needed for old machine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-DIN_connector#/media/File:Close-up_of_S-video_female_connector.jpg
Microfit mini-DIN Signal Note
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8

Motor on mini-DIN

  • 1: drive motor +
  • 3: drive motor -
  • 7 V
8 pin CPC to 8 pin mini-amphenol Guessing this was a custom cable
Microfit old Microfit

correct

cpc Signal Note
1 4 8
2 3 6
3 2 1
4 1 4
5 8 5
6 7 3
7 6 2
8 5 N/C


Tach board

  • Adapts 8 pin to 4 pin
  • Includes cap + 4 pin SMD component (489, probably hall effect sensor)
  • Must interface to those two red things I was confused about...looks like they have magnets on the end
  • Minitek 4x2
    • 4: 4x1.1
    • 3: 4x1.3
    • 2: hall, cap
    • 1: hall
    • 8: 4x1.2
    • 7: 4x1.4
    • 6: hall, cap
    • 5: chassis ground
  • 4x1
    • 1: osc
    • 2: osc
    • 3: drive
    • 4: drive

Test primary machine motor via 4x1

  • drive: 10.2 R
  • osc: 5.6 R
    • *** out of spec
    • consistent with a failed motor


failed motors appear to be caused by carbon buildup from brushes. They will fail very quickly if you operate them even close to their rated voltage. I was able to disassemble and blow one out to fix it. Now it runs at about 12.22V @ 350 mA. Current went down over time, maybe was 500 mA initially

Lets try another... initially 12.22V @ 1.25 A. Visible smoke. Rotor very dirty...should have cleaned other rotor. After cleaning dropped to 12.22V @ 1.1A and then rose up. Hmmm. Clean between rotar contacts. Success! Now 12.21 V @ 153 mA! Significant improvement! 9.6 ohm now

Back to original motor. Cleaned, now drawing 12.21 V @ 0.180 mA. Seems pretty concrete: needs to be cleaned, especially between rotar contacts. Try 18.86 V @ 197 mA. 9.6 ohm

Try osc motor. Didn't try running initially for fear of damaging. After cleaning (worst of all motors so far) 12.19V @ 175 mA. Current seems to be going down as well. 12.19 V @ 200 mA installed. However system is still not turning it (ie its not applying voltage). Other motor is about the same (even though it wasn't cleaned).

Osc 9V on 8 pin. Osc motor being driven at 1.3V. Maybe power supply is failing? Motor current via benchtop PS seems okay to me. Cross strapped channels and verified drive channel can drive either drive or osc, but osc cannot drive either channel. Probably need to open the unit up

McMaster misc

2020-01-14

  • Win cross sectioning kit


2020-02-20

  • Order sample holder
  • Order replacement tubing
    • Later found I had some spare, but meh can use for other projects


2020-05-06

  • Measure grommets
    • 23 mm diameter
    • 11.5 mm high (0.45")
    • 6.5 mm center
  • Measure hole
    • 25.3 mm diameter
      • Grommet must be less than this
    • ~9.15 mm high (0.36")
      • Grommet must be higher than this
  • Bolts
    • 1/4-28 IIRC
    • Around 6.25 mm OD
  • Options
    • https://www.mcmaster.com/90131a102
      • Abrasion-Resistant Cushioning Washer
      • for 1/4" Screw Size, 0.25" ID, 0.75" OD
      • 0.110"-0.140" high
      • Need: 12
    • https://www.mcmaster.com/9540K914
      • Heavy Duty, SBR Rubber, 15/16" OD, 1/2" High
      • 3/8" ID
      • Ned: 3


McMaster newer

S/N 568


Hermitage: Allvia Sunnyvale? Not sure if they are still in business


2019-12-19

  • Submitted offer. Negotiations failed


2020-02-19

  • Seller accepted offer (was firm at old offer). Local pick up


2020-02-232

  • Swap DRO from spare to primary machine
  • Replace rusted micrometer


2020-02-23

  • Observe osc motor is not moving
  • Observe osc doesn't have slit like spare to keep in place...how is it supposed to work?
    • Is this a DRM thing of sort where they didn't supply the right adapter if the user didn't purchase osc option?
    • ie the motor was intentionally disabled and also mechanically hindered

McMaster older

???

  • Won a few lots of parts TechPrep heads
  • Goal: combine into one good head and mount on SBT machine


2019-03-20

  • Try to get old TechPrep base. Negotiations failed


2019-12-20

  • Won old TechPrep base machine. Change plan from retrofitting SBT machine to actually fitting on this machine
  • Without reference machine a little difficult to piece together
  • Machine filthy. Significant cleaning


2020-02-23

  • Used reference machine to greatly accelerate repairs
  • Made cable to hook up head
  • E1.43 (error code?) persists, but machine seems to work fine

McMaster 2020-06-07

Test1: spare arm

Testing out arm on the table. I believe it was mounted on the newer machine

Goals:

  • Understand osc motor
  • Check motor health
  • Clean arm. Some precision surfaces are dirty


Motor current tests

  • Osc
    • yellow +, white -
    • 7.6 V @ 175 mA
      • went down to 160 mA after a bit
    • Motor not loaded (coupler removed from top)
    • Spinning CCW
  • Drive 15.0 V
    • orange+, violet -
    • Motor not loaded (removed rubber ring)
    • 7.6V @ 150 mA

Conclusions:

  • Pinout table is correct
  • Motors work and are in spec

Test2: production arm

Osc

  • 7.6V 2 180 mA under load
    • Shows: motor is fine, I probably don't have the cable correct

Drive

  • 7.6V @ 160 mA no load
    • 170 mA w/ rubber attached


Conclusion: found loose wire.Take this as an opportunity to make a proper cable...either a new one or solder the existing one

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